A Tentative Correlation: Enneagram and Humanitarian Socionics
It is interesting to understand the correlation between typology theories like Enneagram and Socionics, because then we can make some inferences from one to the other. We can also have some insight into possible redundancies or complementation between the theories.
I do not believe that Enneagram type has much correlation to the level of sociotype, since sociotype has a great deal of variation. In Humanitarian Socionics, any sociotype is capable of being paired with any subtype or any functional accentuation, but it doesn't give an explanation as to why we are drawn to specific functional accentuations or why those functional accentuations are specifically enduring (except for the fact that it relates to a psychological complex, which is obvious).
Enneagram is a deep and dynamic theory of fixations which are more enduring than our SHS subtype or accentuations. An enneagram type is more like a specific archetypal or motivation complex which describes our ability to flexibly flow in and out of certain functional motifs, rather than being a slave or resident of one particular function, while still being a stable structure. It might go further in explaining why we experience certain consistent functional motifs (permanent combinations of subtype/accentuation), regardless of our sociotype. Thus, our subtype/accentuation may be more deeply embedded than SHS theory would suggest. That said, the theories are still very complementary; the enneagram giving more structure and reason for the more enduring aspects of our subtypes and functional accentuations is a welcome development.
Sociotype likely gives certain socio-intellectual-biophysical boundary conditions and a flexible framework for our dynamic personality (e.g. subtype, accentuation, enneagram, etc.) to operate and play out within. This complementation may extend to other typology theories. It may be possible to be significantly more precise than the correlation I present here by looking in detail at Enneagram theory and correlating them to specific aspects of multi-level Socionics, but for now I will just give my general opinions.
It's also important to remember that we have a tritype in Enneagram, so you probably relate to at least one type in each center (can be more than one due to wings). Relating to one of these does not mean it's your main type, just that it is a major typical motif in your life.
First, there is the Enneagram Body/Gut triad: "Anger-based, how do you assert yourself as a separate individual being that is different than others, “anger” is standing up to reality, ego boundaries".
In Socionics, this relates to several things:
- Business Logic (P) and Power Sensing (F), since these functions involve matters related to anger, aggression, and standing up to anything
- Structural Logic (L), since it is a rigid and governs the precise location of boundaries
- Harmonization (Functions T, S, ethics), because these functions have blurred boundaries, take in the states of others and deal with the nuances of individuals and individual cases
Enneagram 8: This is a functional motif of emphasized Power Sensing (F) over and above any form of rationality. Power Sensing gives increased self-confidence, calm confidence in one's power, desire to acquire more power and control, accumulation and bursts of anger, authoritarianism, fighting spirit and sometimes fanaticism and tyrannical control. Power Sensing emphasized above rationality won't accept control or limits, much like an Enneagram 8. Also similar to Enneagram 8, Power Sensing and Business Logic can endure a lot and minimize their vulnerabilities.
Enneagram 1: This a functional motif of emphasized Business Logic (P) or Structural Logic (L), combined with a tense amount of subordinated Power Sensing (F). Logical functions like P and L give the ability to systematize and organize, stubbornness, strong boundaries in the thinking (sometimes up to black and white thinking and rigidity), discipline and insistence on finishing things to the end. The Enneagram 1 also has a tense anger and aggression underneath the surface, but it is subordinated to a much stronger superego (a righteous goal like Business Logic or rules like Structural Logic, which gives a person a strong sense of justice and very strong or rigid boundaries and discipline).
Enneagram 9: Without the strong boundaries of emphasized Power Sensing and/or Logical functions, 9 is a more common functional motif. It is especially pronounced in those with a lot of receptive-adaptive functions like T and S. These are flexible functions which adapt to their circumstances and surroundings, preferring to spend time in comfort and reflection and being sensitive to small changes. They can also be grumpy due to their sensitivity and tendency to get pushed around a lot. They are situational, permeable, and can see the point of view others. It can also come about due to increased ethics, since E and R have more blurred boundaries with the world than P and L, and the ability to empathize with others which is inherent in 9, as well as respect for individuals rather than rules (L), bottom line goals (P) or territory and ownership (F). The combination of S and R which often exists in 9 can make these people used to certain comforts and informal traditions.
Next, we have the Enneagram Heart/Image triad: "Shame, who are you supposed to be to yourself and others, the shame of not measuring up to that image, emotional processing"
In Socionics:
-The images we process in our psyche, especially the goals that we want to measure up to, relate to Linear Assertive functions, Business Logic (P) and Emotion Ethics (E) most of all. We also process images with the other dynamics functions, S and T, but that is more about memory and speculation, so not as related to the Image triad
-Structural Logic can also relate to aesthetics and images and the desire to appear perfect, so perhaps it deserves to be mentioned
Enneagram 2 and 4 are more directly emotional types, whereas 3 subordinates their emotions in favor of achievements. This doesn't necessary mean Enneagram 3's aren't emotional, since they can also be the best performers of all the types. The key to notice though is that Enneagram 3 perform especially well in a specific role that has already been delineated and cut out, towards which they can strive and succeed in. So overall, this triad will govern how we relate to our Linear Assertive functions.
Enneagram 2 and 4 are more directly emotional types, whereas 3 subordinates their emotions in favor of achievements. This doesn't necessary mean Enneagram 3's aren't emotional, since they can also be the best performers of all the types. The key to notice though is that Enneagram 3 perform especially well in a specific role that has already been delineated and cut out, towards which they can strive and succeed in. So overall, this triad will govern how we relate to our Linear Assertive functions.
Enneagram 2: 2 is the most naturally emotional type, so it relates to Emotion Ethics (E), but specifically Emotion Ethics with a + sign (+E). In Socionics, these emotions are more caring (subordinating +S), dreamy (subordinated to +T), more natural and desiring for themselves and others to be happy and included (coming from a place of -I), and sometimes intrusive in their care (leading to -F). Left types might be more common here, but they aren't necessary, since Right types can access +E through activity shifts and accentuations. This is the more hospitable, joyful, natural and sometimes intrusive emotions of the Enthusiast, but which an Enthusiast type is not necessarily defined by and which other types can use at a subtypical or functional motif level. It is a more Declarative use of E, leading to relative stability.
Enneagram 4: This is also an emotional type because it is delicate, sensitive and aristocratic and is all about amplfying its inner emotions and turmoil, but it is the much more rebellious, negativistic and imaginative emotion ethics of the EIE (-E). It is more imaginative and amplifying of inner states, frustrations and contradictions (subordinating -T), more sensitive to discomfort and its own needs (subordinated to -S), is inclined to protest and resist others attempts to force or relate to it (coming from a place of +F), and acts to separate itself from others and stand out as unique (leading to +I). It is a more Questive use of E, being reactive and quick to have a problem with anything out of alignment with its inner states, and because of this it can be much more unstable and quite cruel and critical at times (but it transforms the inner world because of it). Importantly, EIE's will not necessarily relate to Enenagram 4 and many other types can, because of subtypical and functional motifs which differ.
Enneagram 3: This is more of a linear assertive relationship to Business Logic (P), where a person doesn't focus on the amplification of +E or -E per se, but rather desires to succeed at some existing role or goal that would grant them love or positive regard instead. This is more like Emotion Ethics subordinated to, or playing a role for, Business Logic. Importantly, Enneagram 3's can still be quite emotional people, since they can still be great performers whose emotions move the audience extremely well, but these emotions will be oriented to a specific role (such as in the dominant subtype which wants success and winning above all, or with a P accentuation that is obsessed with achieving certain goals). However, 3 doesn't have to be so emotional and can just be oriented to hard work (P or maybe L if its slower or more perfectionistic work), whereas 2 and 4 are more strictly emotionally driven.
3, along with 9 and 6, are the most common. Even most EIE (those with -E program function) are at least as likely to be 3 as 4.
Finally, we have the Enneagram Head/Fear triad: "Fear, how do you navigate through a dangerous world, processing using the mind, questions"
In Socionics:
-The intuitive functions, T and I, both strongly relate to danger. T is concerned with danger and wants to avoid it and collect abstract information, whereas I suppresses concerns about danger and curiously explores the world, even enjoying the risk of touching, consuming and adventuring
-Structural Logic of course also helps us process any mentally oriented questions. It is noteworthy that structural logic probably has the strongest presence in all the centers combined, which makes sense since LSI is the probably the most common type in Humanitarian Socionics
-Extroverted functions, especially those like I and E, can help distract us from our fears and make us feel better, which also relates to how this fear triad plays out
Enneagram 5: This is the most classically fear oriented type which obsessively uses its own mind to collect information to understand the world, has a sensitive nervous system and remains detached. Most of all this relates to Temporal Intuition (T), which is inclined to collect lots of information about the world via its speculative mind and sensitive nervous system, and then come to all kinds of strange conclusions about it which may differ from common conception, all while remaining pretty detached and alien from others. Detachment is also served by L, which protects their nervous system via the isolation, discreteness and analytical detachment of structural logic, so Enneagram 5's are also likely to have an L accentuation, but L is subordinated to T here, since this is the head center more concerned with safety and the collection of information rather than having strong boundaries or sticking to rules. Enneagram 5's are going to use T and L to understand some abstract information or topic which often makes them seem quasi-autistic to others.
Enneagram 7: This is the opposite of 5, a type that uses fun, adventures, excitement and distraction to get away from their fear. They can also have a strong intellect, but it is not as inclined to stay with something in depth or with as much detachment, but is faster paced and wants to quickly move on to the next exciting transformation and use their intellect more quickly and wittily. Obviously this relates to Opportunity Intuition (I) most of all, which is an agile, explorative function that wants to touch and experience many aspects of the world and quickly moves away from anything gets too narrowly focused on something or needlessly heavy (since this sets off their T fear of being drowned in the depths, which their I is able to quickly get away from and suppress). Since this type wants movement and distraction, it's not going to want to do something requiring a lot of sedentary L discipline either, and thus its impatient with such details and rules. Instead, it's more likely to subordinate functions like Emotion Ethics (E) or Business Logic (P) to its Opportunity Intuition (I), since they give more opportunities for active momentum and fun. Occasionally this type can slip into Power Sensing (F) conflicts due to its familiarity and lack of respect for rules and boundaries, leading them to feel that they can touch and take what they want and not liking those who restrict them. However, with 7 in charge (subordinating most things to the I function), this won't get as serious as the boundary conflicts in types like 8 and 1.
Enneagram 6: This type also worries and has a lot of fear like 5, but they don't trust their own mind as much, and are more reactive and emotional towards threats to their safety. Instead, they develop an identification with ideologies, causes or principles which protect their safety and make sure they don't stray too far from others (like a 5 is inclined to with its purer T strangeness). Therefore, people with Enneagram 6 will still have a lot of T due to their concern for danger and inclination to speculate, but it will be subordinated to a rational function (P, L, E or R). This will instead give them something more reliable to devote themselves to which will protect them from danger as a proxy for their T that they use but do not completely trust like a 5 does. They might also develop power sensing to protect their T instead of rationality, choosing to fight against the dangers and injustices that they are so nervous about, dualizing their T and defending some kind of order that protects against such dangers. They are like rebellious victims with an acute central (Ni-Se) sense of oppression. Their reactivity is likely to also give them a more connective subtype with a more sensitive nervous system, like Dominant or Harmonizing, or at least an accentuation on such a dynamic connective function like P, E or T (not S because that would drown out the T concern for dangers).
Tritype archetypes can also be touched upon separately. Combining several of these types together may give something more than the sum of its parts, and lead to different functional motifs.
A private anonymous comment, which I will quote and respond to below (these thoughts are of a commentator, not me, but the comments on the quotes below will be mine):
ReplyDelete"it was a good read and you’ve had some interesting ideas. I have noticed you tried to introduce some symmetry, especially in Heart and Fear triads. So, here are my thoughts: - generally speaking, in SHS, if you push accentuation far enough, it becomes a fixation - it is sort of related to the above comment, but Viktor generally dislikes “contaminanting” socionics with supplements like Enneagram or other non-socionic systems, because his criticism of such practices is that it dilutes socionics, makes it less relevant - general shower thought: E9 is a weird expression of anger, I suppose, denying yourself to feel anger, compare to its two neighbours Now, onto your take of E-types and their correlation to SHS - E8: is more like P combined with F. P is manifested as explosive anger and F is like an accumulated anger, being a bully, and what not - E1: the anger expressed her is more akin to LSI - F is subordinate to L, and not P. P is very quick to anger, but F needs time to accumulate and then get a permission from rigid L to surface, and it will be mostly inner directed. - E9: OKish + the comment above about Harmonizing and denying one’s right to anger. It doesn’t seem this way in SHS though. Harmonizing is less about anger denial, but more about adapting to the circumstances. Both H-subtypes and E9 can do it, but I feel the motivations might be slightly different. I do agree and that S and T are both blurry and sensitive, although I do not agree that S is purely memory and T a speculation. Dialecticals in general are good at speculation and many other functions can have access to memory (R is a memory of completed relationships, for example) - it is a bit weird to associate heart triad with Linear-Assertive functions, but I guess it kind of makes sense in retrospect, neither E2 nor E4 seem to quickly accelerate in a linear fashion. If E is involved, it is a distancing version of E. - E2: EIEs can also be E2, so it wouldn’t be limited to ESEs or IEIs. Somebody have an R-accentuation might also be E2 - E3: seems OKish - the only Linear Assertive IMO - E4: OK, I suppose. Feeling and being unique though, is not only a purview of function E though, but also I-function in general. I-leads or I-users such as EIEs and LIEs could be driven to pursue unique images, performances, or ventures to claim their unique place in the world (Creative-subtypes in general, maybe), but I suppose E4 is more withdrawn and jealous, so not overly demonstrative in its uniqueness pursuits E5: I believe Enneagram defines it slightly different, as the Avarice of its own resources and independence, due to the need to be autonomous from a care giver who did not respect boundaries in their childhoods. I suppose, it also comes from a fear of losing independence, but is this fear a T-fear? Is this fear of foreboding? That’s E6, I think - E7: OKish - E6: yeah, E6 is varied and has many possibilities, no wonder so many people indemnify with it or get typed To conclude, I enjoyed your read, well done! But I also feel that Enneagram is a messy system to try and translate to other ones. Nonetheless, it is interesting to try. Thanks for your thoughts!"
"generally speaking, in SHS, if you push accentuation far enough, it becomes a fixation - it is sort of related to the above comment, but Viktor generally dislikes “contaminanting” socionics with supplements like Enneagram or other non-socionic systems, because his criticism of such practices is that it dilutes socionics, makes it less relevant "
DeleteI think you are right that Victor dislikes contaminating Socionics with anything, for example, psychosophy is something he has also been very critical of. In this case, I’m not rushing to graft Enneagram or Psychosophy or whatever else onto SHS. They for sure aren’t the same and the correlation needs to be explored more precisely before anything official is assigned. I just think that with Victor’s mindset, connections between various paradigms won’t be explored anywhere near as much as it could be (and neither will the falsification of Victor’s theories), and I won’t be satisfied with that alone. Fwiw, I think Victor’s heart type is a 3w4 (not his main type), and while it’s possible I have something similar there, it’s hard for me to be satisfied with similar concerns of worrying about the relevance or success of Socionics more than discovering all that can possibly be discovered regardless of what it is or what the implications are. I guess I’m a little more unfiltered than him, for whatever reason (maybe he could also explain this to some extent with LII vs ILI).
"E8: is more like P combined with F. P is manifested as explosive anger and F is like an accumulated anger, being a bully, and what not"
DeleteEnneagram 8: I mentioned both F and P, not just due to anger but also due to the inclination of both of these functions for endurance and minimizing or ignoring their vulnerabilities. I agree that other rational functions are involved here and subordinated to F, however I’m not yet convinced that it makes sense for P to be in charge of an Enneagram 8 mindset (at least not in a pure sense without considering tritype and things like that). The level of desire for control in Enneagram 8, the lack of orientation to discipline, and just the generally more raw and animalistic feel of the type seems to me to fit power sensing and the central quadras (in general, not necessarily without exception) but than something like business logic. I also think 8’s have an earthiness and calm confidence in their power (static, strong nervous system) that business logic without power sensing does not possess, though power sensing without business logic still possess.
"E1: the anger expressed her is more akin to LSI - F is subordinate to L, and not P. P is very quick to anger, but F needs time to accumulate and then get a permission from rigid L to surface, and it will be mostly inner directed."
DeleteEnneagram 1: I agree that the LSI expression of Enneagram type 1 is the most “stereotypical”. However, given the differences between instinctual subtypes, tritypes, etc., I’m not sure 1’s are always slow in expressing their anger like that, or that their anger will be mostly inner directed. Furthermore, Enneagram 1’s are known for a strong sense of justice and discipline in actually using their anger for a goal (rather than just exploding and frivolously destroying things like power sensing might be more inclined), which are also prominent features of Business Logic (in some ways more than Structural), as well as for giving rules and prescriptions, which Business Logic tends more to give and Structural Logic more to obey. With that said, the overall feel of 1 does have a lot of self-control to it that doesn’t apply clearly to Business Logic. So if it does exist with Business Logic, it probably requires some structural logic support (like DN or ND subtypes), or might have 1 as a secondary type to a more assertive type that more easily includes P like Enneagram 3 and Enneagram 7. So this is one of your comments I value more and I will likely incorporate some adjustment to my 1 conception in the future to make it fit with more precision and nuance in terms of how Structural Logic and Business Logic relate to the type, this is important.
"E9: OKish + the comment above about Harmonizing and denying one’s right to anger. It doesn’t seem this way in SHS though. Harmonizing is less about anger denial, but more about adapting to the circumstances. Both H-subtypes and E9 can do it, but I feel the motivations might be slightly different."
DeleteEnneagram 9: I have never sought to claim that Harmonizing in SHS is about anger denial, though I agree with you that Harmonizers might be more inclined to do that. To be clear, I’m not even saying that Harmonizers will necessarily be Enneagram 9 (though I do think that’s overwhelmingly common, I even know of some examples which are otherwise). I’m looking at the Enneagram more in terms of explaining how and why we gain and maintain our subtypes and accentuations in the first place, for reasons other than purely the function itself (which would be a somewhat circular and unsatisfying explanation). The way I look at subtype is more like a social adaptation or a functional role in a group, and you often talk about it in these terms. This adaptation is a way of bending for the Socion, but the Enneagram is a more dynamic (i.e. continuous, associative) theory which seems to describe more about the archetypal structures which motivate us from the inside. I don’t think SHS subtypes or even accentuations describe “motivations” as much as Enneagram, but better describe certain functional-behavioral roles that are played and filled. It is for this reason that I think the theories are particularly complementary (but perhaps not without some adjustment on either side). So I see the Enneagram side as more truly psychological and motivational whereas the SHS side as more like objective behavioral boundary conditions (purely within the context of that one comparison).
"I do agree and that S and T are both blurry and sensitive, although I do not agree that S is purely memory and T a speculation. Dialecticals in general are good at speculation and many other functions can have access to memory (R is a memory of completed relationships, for example)"
DeleteYour comment about S and T I think is a bit confused. You accused me of saying that S is purely memory and T is purely speculation, but I simply did not say that. I think the comment you are referring to was talking about comparing the functional relationship between Linear Assertive functions and Receptive Adaptive functions. I brought this up when talking about the image triad because it’s mainly the dynamic functions which deal most directly with images in the psyche (and I mean this precisely in the sense of the nonvernal signals we use in diagnostics and the associated upwards eye movements). However, I think the Linear Assertive function of images (formed goals in which we would like to see ourselves or the world and can feel shame or motivation when it doesn’t measure up) is more relevant to the Heart triad than the Receptive adaptive function of images (which in both the case of T and S, relates mainly to recollected and recombined images and experiences which the psyche can speculate forward, overall whether or not you think dialectics are “good” at speculation, this doesn’t seem personal enough for me to relate to the main aspects of the heart triad images, though it might have some tangential relationship).
"it is a bit weird to associate heart triad with Linear-Assertive functions, but I guess it kind of makes sense in retrospect, neither E2 nor E4 seem to quickly accelerate in a linear fashion. If E is involved, it is a distancing version of E."
DeleteI agree that the relationship between Linear Assertive temperament and the Heart Triad is counterintuitive, but that is partly what I like about it. Surprising connections I tend to find more interesting and meaningful, though granted, it makes sense to be careful with them. But if we combine the NLP eye accessing image based cues in both the Heart triad and the LA temperament, I think it’s a cool and surprising fit (at least to some extent). I don’t see any of the Enneagram types as specifically associated with acceleration per se, because that’s more of the objective behavioral Socionics concept. Inasmuch as all the image types are oriented towards a partly self-created image in their mind’s eye and are oriented towards becoming as much like that image as possible, I am referring to the ways in which people use their linear assertive temperament (regardless of whether or not they are linear assertive or dominant). It’s more about the motivation than the behavior or inclination to acceleration (which is only true for some 2’s, 3’s and 4’s).
"E2: EIEs can also be E2, so it wouldn’t be limited to ESEs or IEIs. Somebody have an R-accentuation might also be E2"
DeleteEnneagram 2: I do not believe any Enneagram type is specifically related to any Socionics type; just the use of functions are related to Enneagram in my view. So perhaps an EIE can indeed be Enneagram 2, though I think that would be somewhat unusual (but I could be wrong). I have never sought to limit it to ESEs or IEIs and didn’t explicitly make such a limitation either (in fact I specified that the sign of the function can switch regardless of right or left spinning due to activity shifts and accentuations). That said, I actually don’t buy that a relation ethics accentuation relates to Enneagram 2 at all, because Enneagram 2 is a prideful image-oriented type which is romantic and strategically helpful, and R does not seem to me to be as related to such images and manipulations. A peaceful, anxious and/or sensitive R accentuation seems to me more likely to land one in Enneagram 9 (an empathic, slower, sensitive, more patient and more forgiving type who is good at harmonizing and healing people) and maybe 6’s due to heightened anxiety (if there is also a T accentuation or other kind of nervousness that could be associated with 6).
"E3: seems OKish - the only Linear Assertive IMO"
DeleteEnneagram 3: I can see what you are saying in Enneagram 3 seeming more conventionally Linear Assertive, but honestly I could even see an Enneagram 3 among a patient structural logic worker as long as they are motivated mainly towards this achiever image. I am giving a correlation to Enneagram 3 here more in terms of the way in which we “Linearly Assert” or strive after goals, rather than suggesting that these types are more likely to actually be such and such type in the first place.
"E4: OK, I suppose. Feeling and being unique though, is not only a purview of function E though, but also I-function in general. I-leads or I-users such as EIEs and LIEs could be driven to pursue unique images, performances, or ventures to claim their unique place in the world (Creative-subtypes in general, maybe), but I suppose E4 is more withdrawn and jealous, so not overly demonstrative in its uniqueness pursuits"
DeleteEnneagram 4: I think even Enneagram 3’s can be motivated to pursue uniqueness, it is just in the form of a more conventional success, even if such an achievement would make them stand out as unique. Whereas 4’s in my conception are more focused on suffering and their inner experience and how no one understands this, regardless of what they achieve (and often they achieve much less than 3’s for this reason). That said, I don’t mean to associate 4 with any TYPE, so in fact it may be ANY type could be a 4. But I don’t see how it relates to the I function because the I function is positive, has a high mood and moves away from suffering or uplifts and has faith in their abilities, which is totally the opposite of 4. So regardless of the type, 4 would not have accentuated I, it would be much more likely to have accentuated T even since it is more about depth, wallowing in suffering and misfortune, etc.
"E5: I believe Enneagram defines it slightly different, as the Avarice of its own resources and independence, due to the need to be autonomous from a care giver who did not respect boundaries in their childhoods. I suppose, it also comes from a fear of losing independence, but is this fear a T-fear? Is this fear of foreboding? That’s E6, I think"
DeleteEnneagram 5: This idea of 5’s and avarice is very particular and not something I used much, though I also think it also fits with T as the main related function. 5’s are avaricious in the sense of hoarding their time and energy from a world that demands too much of their sensitivities, which is precisely the problem of T, a sensitive, high information and low energy function. The other fears 5 has, besides this fear of overwhelm and embodiment (which is very T), is a fear of being insufficiently competent, that they won’t know enough in the future, so they have to collect information and understanding and train themselves so that they are ready for anything. This seems very T to me in the sense that it is about preparing for something that hasn’t happened yet. And in general 5 has a more purely T-ish feel than 6, being more detached and off pointe, more alien, collecting information, coming to strange conclusions and being difficult to understanding, solving specialized problems. I think 6 has a lot of T to it, but it is a more relatable type, relatable to something more rational or sensing so that it uses its security orientation for something more practical, loyal or helpful.
On the whole I appreciate your critical commentary since it gave me more opportunity to clarify where I was coming from and gave me a few suggestions that I really want to make improvements on, especially on types like Enneagram 1 and in terms of explaining where I see the difference between SHS and Enneagram.
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