Notes on Hangout #21: Left vs Right Spinners

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(Personal commentary in square parentheses.)
  • Number of phenomena in psyche:
    • Supervision, Benefit, etc.
  • Model A —Supervision rings (information); Model G —Benefit rings (energy).
  • Right types better absorb Model A Socionics; Left more interested in Model G.
    • Vaserlan: Is it because of mixing things up from many sources?
      • Not necessarily. Intuitives deal with such things. “Combining different types of theories is something right types like ENTPs also do—Ausra, Socionics is the result of that.” Fundamental to Ne.
  • +/- assigned not to spin, but charge (Gulenko).
  • Theory of Reinin Dichotomies: Right types prefer to have visitors at their homes (territory) while Left types prefer to visit others. (VG doesn’t support this idea.)
  • Right sequential; simple to complex; trees growing (branches from stems); a forest of trees.
    • SEE/SEI Right types; first function Sensing (simple problems), move to Feeling (complex solutions).
  • Left: complex to simple; branches to trunk.
    • ESI/ESE Left; move from complex Feeling problems to simple Sensing solutions.
  • simple vs complex = making things simpler vs more complex; dynamic feature.
  • LSI law/rule-making: starts out simple but becomes complex; bureaucratic; LII: starts with existing complex systems with unclear logic and makes it simpler.
    • LSI wants to go into more detail in his work than the LII
    • LII wants to get the whole picture and then start asking questions; Right types will start digging at a particular piece of info right away; L+
  • EII vs ESI:
    • EII digs deeper, goes into detail and tries to achieve the ideal; perfectionistic in relationships
    • ESI simply fine: if relationships don’t work-cuts them off.
  • Social Level:
    • Left types express their functions 'naturally'; Right types express functions as dictated by society:
      • EII Feeling is societal, pro-social, altruistic. Doesn’t exist in nature (altruistic/trusting).
      • Ethics of nature is survival of the fittest: protect yourself, then kin, everything else later.
      • SLE Se natural, stronger dominates over the weaker (food chain) [but chimp hierarchy example: pro-social/bonding + strong alpha males rule longer than tyrannous Se- type rulers].
      • SEE Se coalitions, societal in nature. Divide and conquer or dominating a stronger one artificial.
      • Societal ethics: everyone should survive. Nature oriented towards smaller groups.
  • NLP fundamentally ‘Right'. Only Right types fall for it. (Easily brainwashed/manipulated.) [Operant conditioning.] [Although Dynamics more susceptible to advertisements since associative tricks: happiness associated with buying a certain product, etc.]
  • Ne- (intuition of exiting) vs Ne+ (intuition of entering; better at finding problems) :
    • [Ne] risking/adventure/solving non-standard problems [Hero’s journey, basic human explorative instinct]
      • Complex problem: ENFP solves better (Left: complex to simple).
      • ILE’s Ne good at finding problems but may get stuck (Right: linear). Not good at getting out of problems (ENFP is).
      • Street fight: ENTP likely to get stuck, participate; ENFP likely to find a way out. IEI will act like an ILE, not looking for a way out [Positivist]. Right types have a tendency to get stuck in. IEE will stand by and make ironic comments, gets beaten up.
  • Life-style/Social level:
    • Left types approach doing things at home/work quickly but not well.
    • Left types capable of delivering good quality: go back and forth until they reach it.
    • Right types like doing things thoroughly start-to-finish and don’t like going back.
    • Listening to music helps focus on a process: only for Right types [Talanov: low threshold Sensing (Carefree)]. Left types tend to get more distracted by the music than motivated/focused.
    • Cooking: Right types usually clean at the end. Left types usually clean during the process. Left types: easier to pause, clean up and go back.
    • Body movements of Right types smoother; Left types have more jerks.
    • Fine handiwork [Carefree]. Long surgery: LSI—feel better in the Process.
  • Only on Social Level is justified that we call them Process/Result types. Otherwise, grossly oversimplified [goal/method is strategic/tactical].
  • EII vs IEI:
    • Process types [or EII] focused on development of relationships over time. Can be prognostic about how relationships will develop. So what’s the different between prognosis (on a left/right basis)?—two parameters: long-term vs short-term prognosis—how detailed it is: general or specific:
      • EII: Ethics to more complex function (Intuition). More detailed prognosis but shorter. Ask EII if interested to see how it will unwind in the process. More suited for psychotherapy/psychoanalysis (detailed).
      • IEI: More complex to simpler function. General prognosis but long term. Ask IEI if interested in the end result. More suited for conflict resolution/counselling to build relationships (who to avoid/approach).
  • Better to work with same spin types. Better understanding and outcomes.
  • EP types tend to switch from one activity to another but Left types do this more abruptly. Right transition smoother.
  • Besides E/I, Left/Right the most important since it defines (second only to E/I) how comfortable the relations will be and how interactions will develop.
  • Also important while building a team. Same spin.









Natalya

May 29, 2019
Could you explain the differences between the restrictive functions of types with different signs? I would like to know the example of the following types: * What is the difference between a weak Observational Structural Logic (L-) and a weak Administrator Logic (L +)? * Relationship Ethics (R +) Mentor of Relationship Ethics (R-) Enthusiast? * Sensory comfort (S-) Politics from sensory comfort (S +) Marshal?

Victor Gulenko

First of all, it is necessary to take into account that positivism (+) means actions to maximize the positive manifestation of a function, and negativism (-) to minimize its negative manifestation. The weakness of this function is not informational, but energetic: according to it, a person notices everything and convincingly argues, but hardly realizes his plans in real behavior.
The administrator is very worried about how to maintain order and stick to the accepted plan (+ L), and the Entrepreneur is about how to get rid of the mess and rebuild the unfortunate plan (-L). The mentor is concerned about how to build and maintain a good relationship (+ R), and for an Enthusiast how to avoid or break a bad relationship (-R). The politician ensures that there is no dirt, illness, pain and other discomfort (-S) on his territory, and the Marshal controls aesthetics, health and the availability of amenities (+ S). 
Signs of functions in the process of life, of course, may vary. The model indicates their initial setting.

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